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Proofs that SHIVA AND VISHNU ARE EQUAL and Isk’con Mis-interpretations REVEALED ---

1.
SB 4.7.54 ORIGINAL statement --- Lord Vishnu tells King Daksha (father of Sati) --- “He who of the three ((Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva)) having ONE NATURE, verily, of the Supersoul in all beings, DOES NOT SEE THE SEPARATENESS, o brahmin, realizes the peace.”

2.
The SAME LINE is told by Lord Shiva to king Daksha in SHIVA MAHA PURANA.
Additionally, Lord Shiva also says —

“ The FOOLISH PERSON who sees separateness among the three of us, DEFINITELY remains in HELL for the time as long as the moon and the stars are in the sky.

Daksha ! if a Vishnu devotee degrades lord Shiva and if a Shiva devotee degrades lord Vishnu, then BOTH THESE TYPE OF DEVOTEES will automatically get all the ‘curses’ that have been given to you and these types of devotees will remain devoid of tattva gyaan.” i.e. the highest spiritual knowledge.

So, you can clearly see, if there had been any difference among the three, then Lord Vishnu or Lord Shiva would have mentioned it; but it is not so.

3.
SIMILAR LINES have been found in the RAMAYANA written by Goswami Tulsidas.

In the Lanka Kaanda, LORD RAMA ESTABLISHES THE RAMESHWARA SHIVA LINGA AND WORSHIPS LORD SHIVA before proceeding on to the battle.

Lord Rama declares that – “If a person degrades lord Shiva and calls himself My devotee; and if a person degrades lord Rama/Vishnu and calls himself Shiva devotee, THEN THAT PERSON IS A FOOL, HELL-RESIDER AND POOR-MINDED.”

So these are the CLEAR-CUT and TRANSPARENT MEANING lines from the Main Hindu Puranas to which every person ((male & female of every age group)) of Sanatana Hindu Dharama ACCEPTS UNCONDITIONALLY.

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And now see the Crooked Interpretations of the ISKCON regarding the above points.

1.
Opposing the 1st point, Iskcon cleverly give example of their Own Written ‘Brahma-Samhita’.
They say that---

Lord Vishnu is MILK
Lord Shiva & Brahma are YOGURT
In order to achieve REAL peace, TAKE ONLY MILK (Vishnu)

By saying so, Iskcon is CONDEMNING THE NON-SEPARATENESS stated by lord Vishnu Himself.

While the Supreme lord Vishnu is laying stress on “eka bhavanam – i.e. One Nature”,
Iskcon is INTRUDING IN BETWEEN saying that there is “MILK & YOGURT PHILOSOPHY.”

ORIGINALL FACT ---
Yogurt is formed when pure milk is attacked by “Lactobacillus” bacteria.
SO MILK DOES NOT REMAIN IN ITS TRUE NATURE i.e. 2 natures are created.
Nature 1- Pure milk
Nature 2 – Milk infected with BACTERIA

So any person will never have same feeling for yogurt as for milk.
Because milk and yogurt Cannot Be Used for the same purpose at the same time. ((Nobody eats yogurt while drinking milk.))

HIDDEN FACT ---

Actually, iskcon is trying to say ---As Milk and yogurt can’t be used for same purpose;
Simiarly Liberation Can’t Be Attained By Worshipping Shiva, But ONLY by Vishnu.

You can see the BRAINWASH done at the ‘Minute Level’.

The QUESTION arises: ---
If “Milk And Yogurt Philosophy” is true, then ---

Why didn’t Ved Vyas introduce it by consulting Iskcon and why didn’t Vishnu preach this same philosophy?????

2.
Opposing the 2 nd point, Iskcon totally rejects it because they say – “ This fact is from Tamasic Purana and hence LEADS TO HELL.”
So, TOTALLY REJECTED BY ISKCON. (what a Cheap mind !!!)

3.
Opposing the 3 rd point, Iskcon makes 2 SILLY EXCUSES –-

1. They DON’T ACCEPT Goswami Tulsidas and say that “NO such incident is written in Valmiki Ramayana.”

2.Even if someone insists, then Iskcon says ----- “If a father takes the child on his shoulders, then it does not mean that the child is more important than father.”

QUESTION arises---
If it is true, then Rama would have said: “Although I Am Worshipping You, Yet I Am Your Father And You Are My Son.”

But Lord Rama didn’t say anything like this.


MORAL OF THE DISCUSSION: (Personal opinion)

1. Iskcon is in NO WAY ready to accept that Shiva is equal to Vishnu; whatsoever proof you may put in front of them.

2. They are like a frog in a well, which is not at all ready to accept that there is something like Ocean.

3. Whoever tells them that the “Brahman” is supreme, Vishnu and Shiva are equal; they start shouting that You Are Mayavadi demon!!!

4 comments:

  1. Jai Sri Krishn
    My dear friends my English is not good, that's why I want to write in Hindi if its convenient for you all, then please give me permission to speak something about this topic.
    Please If anyone can help me also to translate in English my subject.
    Then by the Grace of Lord I can clear all the doubt and misunderstandings. About Lord Shiva and Vishnu Tatva.

    Yours friend
    Swami madhusudan

    Transcendental Institute of Radhakrishn's Teaching for Holy Awakening (TIRTHA)

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  2. Shri Shri Bhagawan Shiva
    Your english seems to me very good! Here in our country nobody speak hindi, we are sorry. Please make an effort and speak to us in english.
    3 hours ago · Sent from Messenger
    Swami Madhusudan SoundYoga
    Dear friend

    In vaishnva literature shiva is none different from Lord Maha vishnu. Hari Har one but by some misunderstanding this is happenings. Sri Chaitanya Mahabrabhu is saying shiva is me. If you will Read Sri Braham vaivart Puran. There you can understand Sada Shiv and shankar has much difference like with Krishna to Mahavishnu and Mahavishnu to Shesa Shai Vishnu.
    According to Scriptures "Brahma" is the embodiment of RAJO GUNA, Vishnu is embodiment of SATAV GUNA and Shivshankar is embodiment of TAMO GUNA.
    When this material world was not exist that time Supreme Lord Him self appear as GUNAvtara. So only in that point Gaudiya's are saying shiva is Gunavtar but in tattva thay are same.
    Now I want to ask you about in your information who is AADI GURU SANKRACHARYA ?
    Can you tell me about this ?
    15 minutes ago
    Swami Madhusudan SoundYoga
    For your kind information I want to sajjust
    11 minutes ago
    Swami Madhusudan SoundYoga
    Please Read some Scriptures which is not written or commentary by any Gaudiya's.
    That's as well as:-
    Yajurved's PURV & UTTAR GOPAL TAAPINI UPNISHAD, SRIMAD BHAGWAT MAHAPURAN, AGNI PURAN, BRHAMVAIVART PURAN, BRAHMAND PURAN, ANANT SANHITA, ANY RAMAYAN, ANY SANHITA like GARG, JAIMINI, BHRIGU, MANU, PIPLAD, BRHAM.

    Many many Scriptures is saying about Shiv tatva As the Incarnation of Sriman Lord Sriman Narayan Himself.
    But shiv sankar is not same should try to understand.

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